1. Randy_K

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    Will it be necessary to buy a OFTR membership to buy a ODSC membership ? This question has been asked several times but not formally as far as i know ? I personally know of close to a dozen old ODSC members that would likely rejoin if the OFTR membership was not required. A lot of the DS riders see no benefit to them having a OFTR membership and others have their own reasons.

    Just asking 8-[
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    Yes, as voted on by members at the AGM (something like) 3 years ago.
  3. Randy_K

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    Will this be voted on again or is it a one vote for life ? Does the exc want to increase the ODSC membership numbers or does the membership feel it is better to remain tied to the OFTR ?
  4. SteveP

    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    very little of this clubs net revenues come from memberships. Furthermore, the majority of clubs are going to support the oftr this upcoming year from what I have heard. Of course this can be voted on again. Make sure to come out to the AGM, and you might want to consider going to the OFTR meeting this weekend to see what the board has been able to achieve and what they have planned.
  5. Iceman

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    Just a question, I fail to understand riders who think there is no personal benefit to the OFTR. Has anyone heard of ANY other group out there fighting for our rights? I am a member of scorra and the odsc, I joined the odsc this year, despite the fact that all my bikes are green plated simply to support this club. I have renewed my membership even on years when I didn't have a bike! Why? Because I believe in what this club has done, and have high hopes for our future! I am hoping that when my 5 and 6 year old can ride the Algonquin 2 day, it is still here! One day, with a strong enough membership, I will be able to travel off road like the OFSC! Without individual support from all riders, this will never happen. The real reason the OFTR membership is so low, is because only two municipalities have made it mandatory, Simcoe cty being one. So support OUR club guys! Our children will thank you!
    Jeremy
  6. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    If anyone in Ontario rides a bike offroad on; county/municipal lands, MNR/Crown land, private land in many cases - then they need an advocacy group. The only one we have is the OFTR.
    Why wouldn't they join?

    If they choose to see no benefit for themselves, what can we do to change that?
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    EXACTLY.

    OFTR should be able to attract it's members by it's own objectives, achievements, benefits, etc.

    A point to note:
    OFTR = Trail Riders
    SCORRA = Off Road Riders
    ODSC = Dual Sport

    SCORRA members must support OFTR. ODSC members must support OFTR even if they never ride off road.

    Suggestion for a new ODSC Membership policy:
    Riders with no interest in off road riding - $30/yr
    Riders with interest in off road riding - $180/yr for ODSC + OFTR membership + $100 contribution to financially-challenged OFTR
    Riders with existing OFTR membership - $10/year

    Question: Which club does an Ontario dual sport rider join if trail riding is of no interest?
    Answer: There's only ONE dual sport club in Ontario - ODSC.

    Bob
  8. SteveP

    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    ....and the members voted that we link with the oftr.

    ....which umbrella organization speaks on behalf of dual spotters? O F T R
  9. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Umm I think my point may have been missed........
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    Not to beat this up or start a debate. Both Bob and i know of a lot of people who are not members of the ODSC now , < some used to be > that would like to rejoin if they did not have to join the OFTR. The can not vote on the subject since they are not members.

    Perhaps the answer is for the OFTR to explain what they do for the DS riders that do not venture on to any trails where the OFTR is seen to be having a impact. I have a feeling if the OFTR had a offering for these riders the membership could grow by a fair bit. Since i have been DS riding i would guess more then half of the riders do not belong to a club. This could be a opportunity for the OFTR.

    Randy
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    Sorry guys, only my opinion but... A dual-sported with no interest in trail riding (which is done off road), is actually called a COMMUTER! Perhaps they could join the gold wing club? Even dual sporters will run out of places to go without the advocacy group, cause the people who hug trees never stop protecting their right hug trees. Simcoe county has been a dirtbike heaven for a long time, but they actually closed all trails to us until scorra/oftr came in and got the land use agreements in place. How many guys in southern Ontario know awesome places you "used" to ride? I was born and raised in brantford Ontario, and every place I rode in my teens is gone now. That is what the oftr is about, ensuring that my kids have places to ride with their kids!
    Jeremy
  12. michel mondou

    michel mondou ODSC Executive

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    For anyone who attended yesterday's OFTR meeting, the discussion was opened up for members to give their opinion on the federation's direction in the future. There was also mention of committees to be formed. These committees would take a load off the board and would also replace some of the work done by the former president. If anyone is inclined to form a possible "DS committee", the AGM in january will be the next opportunity to lay the groundwork for such an enterprise. Volunters are always appreciated. =D>

    The OFTR is our federation, it can be whatever we want it to be =D>. Wether I ride a Dual Sport bike on the road or a trail bike in the woods, I am riding a dirt bike: I am happy the OFTR is there to support my interests.

    If someone just wants to ride bikes on the backroads, he really doesn't need to belong to a club, he can just ride as he pleases; it's his prerogative. But if a rider wants his voice heard and interests defended, then the OFTR is the way to go...

    Michel
  13. imnothng

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    Dual sport means different things to different people. To me it means someone and some bike that can go down the highway then jump to the single tracks. To others it means from the highway to logging roads, and never to a single track.

    I think that's what Bob is trying to say. Not all dual sporters are into single track, but more into the adventure riding where they don't stop because the pavement does.

    I get what he's trying to say, and to some extent agree. I only say to some extent because I selflessly want to ride my bike EVERYWHERE, so I want everyone to support the OFTR, lol.
  14. SteveP

    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    What if the ds committee was set up to handle as much gps data and routing as possible into a database. For a membership the ds rider would have access to that database. That would be valuable to them. It would take someone to administer it. A few folks really. I'm sure that would be of value to all of us. A giant ontario route database and that could be expanded to many parts of the world. Members could add to the database and use it.
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    This would be friggin awesome! Perhaps with some distinction between pavement, gravel, dual and single track and range of difficulty? Dualsport came up with what I thought was a brilliant way of flagging this stuff (without the difficulty level I think) but it means you need to have the time to ride every road in Ontario.

    Next year I would like to do some multi-day DS stuff and would like to be able to map out an all gravel road/off-road route but currently I see no way to do this. I think this would be a great OFTR selling point for the DS crowd.
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    There are those of us that are members here at the ODSC that support the club yet do not ride a DS bike at all. I'm one of these members, yes my bike is plated for road use, but it is in no way a DS bike....I cant join in with the adventure DS'ing because my bike is not suited for it. I still support the ODSC.

    How is this different than an ODSC member supporting the OFTR ???? I see just as many casual ride posts for Singletrack riding as I do for Adventure type rides here on the site.

    I think we are a diverse group, thats obvious, and I know we all have our own opinions on what the ODSC and OFTR as well as other clubs can do for our sport. I'm going to be supporting SCORRA this coming season, along with the OFTR and the ODSC, and I'll be buying a Family membership for Mtopark as well. I want to support those that support the sport...PERIOD.
  17. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Bob-

    You and I have had several discussions about this in the past, both on here and in person. I'm still not convinced. You have said yourself that this is a Dual Sport club - which is clearly defined & recognized as riding BOTH ON and OFF road. It doesn't matter what bike is used for that; a small street legal 2t DS bike or a giant BMW1200, or anything in between. If you are riding OFF road, you are basically on anything that is unmaintained for daily public travel(with some possible exceptions). You are either in a field/forest or on a trail/track. It doesn't matter if that is part of a road allowance, a county forest double track, or single track, a forest access road on crown land, or?? Those by definition are TRAILS.
    Some guys only go as far as riding gravel roads & call it DS riding & I think that's fine as well IMO. Granted, it seems to me it's at the fringe of this sport.

    I find it interesting that you are generally the biggest proponent behind this issue, yet regularly ride on trails that the OFTR has had involvement in & IIRC have posted pics from one of those adventures as recently as this summer. (correct me if I'm wrong here)

    Just sayin'

    I'm sorry I must be missing something, because I just don't seem to understand why a few guys that ride DS bikes occasionally on Trails (by definition), don't want to pay a small nominal amount to support an advocacy group that is there for them. What am I missing?

    The other issue is the extra work involved maintaining memberships on several levels...........who will handle the extra work?
  18. SteveP

    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    I can't see differing member levels occuring, but I do think that making a more convincing case to DS riders(however they classify themselves) is a good idea to increase OFTR membership. If we need to spell it out(which it appears we do), we should. But, at present there is NO other advocacy group, that would speak for, and further the interests of Dirt Riders, however they want to classify themselves(ds or trail only or anything in between).
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    Laird - check out http://graveltravel.ca/
    They have lots of free gps route for dual Sports in Ontario and other provinces. They are actually trying to create a entire trans Canada off road route.

    I'm doing the roaming rally next year (3 day camping).
  20. Laird

    Laird Ride Organizer

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    Awesome site! Thanks! Ya, this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for. The Roaming Rally sounds like a great time and exactly what I'm looking for. I will most likely plan on making this. I'd be interested to know what bike you're taking and hear/see how you will pack for this.
    Pretty sure I know a few guys already who will be up for this in case you haven't put your team together yet. :D