1. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Our AGM is scheduled for Feb. 18/12 at the Delta Meadowvale in Mississauga ON.

    Last year we had a tech session in the afternoon, followed by dinner in the restaurant, the AGM til about 9-9:30pm and then a social hour at the bar.

    Let me know if you are interested in doing a similar setup for this year.

    More details to follow

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  2. hardman

    hardman Limited User

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Sounds good, I'll be there! :D

    Just let us know the time?
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    brucedwilson ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    It'll be the first one I've missed in about 10 years. Will there be voting issues put up on the website? Can we then assign proxy vote carriers?

    I'm going to be in Mississippi, without a motorcycle, leading 33 undergrads from the U of G on a civic mission around poverty and racism. I'll be thinking about tall beers at the Delta!

    Bruce
  4. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    If you guys want an afternoon tech session like last year, or???, please post up and let me know so I can set it up. Post topic ideas as well.

    Thanks,

    Brian
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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    This has previously been discussed (in particular comparing what michigan offers) but what about further discussion on a general map/gps routes of known great off road/legal roads/ect in Ontario? Including the normal ganny, SCF, ect.
    They could be colour coded -gravel, washed out, hard core/difficult, , single track, ect..plus the standard lookout markings
    The more people getting out on ds bikes the better IMO. This would be one way to get people out -'knowing what's in their back yard (as most are unaware).

    Either they should be posted free - or available to odsc members.

    Eric
  6. Randy_K

    Randy_K Limited User

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    =D>

    There are enough guys DS riding now that we could easily get someone < or several > on the EXC with votes and proxy votes. It sure would be nice to have a more DS flavour.

    Bob's DS rides often attract close to a dozen riders . The Mohawk DS and GPS meeting was so large last month we could not even get into having a GPS information exchange.

    Randy
  7. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    If anyone wants to run for the exec, please send in nominations and we'll get it on the ballot. They must be a verified paid up member for 2012. All who wish to vote on any issues tabled at the AGM, must be a paid up 2012 member as well.

    The topics proposed can easily be added to the agenda. Randy- I'm confident your concerns can be easily addressed(or have been?)...A good discussion is always worth the price of admission.

    Jeremy Quinn has agreed to do a presentation/Q&A of his recent trip to Morocco. =D>
  8. Randy_K

    Randy_K Limited User

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    I have not seen any nominations for the executive. Is anyone planning on returning ? Anyone new running ?
  9. SteveP

    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    in our fall exec meeting, all the current exec offeredto stay on for another year. if they're are new nominations then a vote is required. if proxies are necessary, then you better figure outwho your candidate is so you can gather proxies.
  10. Neil Edmunds

    Neil Edmunds ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    The club will be whaterever the members want it to be. It has no slant one way or the other. Some of us started out doing more dual sport riding, then changed to doing more trail riding. If you post more DS rides, you'll get more DS action. Some folks got so good at trail riding, they started doing competitive riding. It really doesn't matter what you like, there is lots to choose from. Try trials or supermoto for a change of pace, you won't get bored. Post your observations or ask questions; motorcycling involves lots of variety.

    We have frowned on posting DS GPS files because we don't want people putting up tracks that involve private property or sensitive areas. There is no harm in posting a "backroad only" route, but don't post up routes from organized rides or events. The best method is sharing by email so we don't need to scrutinize what is being posted.

    At the last exec meeting we agreed to set aside money for site upgrades. I offered to "steer" the upgrade task, but this winter I've been bogged down with work (I run my own business and I'm a key man in my brother's business). I could use some technical assistance if anyone has mad phpbb skills. The day to day stuff is not a problem.

    I look forward to seeing you at the AGM.
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    DualSport Ride Organizer

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    It's not quite that simple, Neil. People seem to forget that ODSC is (was?) a legal Corporation and has a Constitution, By-Laws, etc and is required to file an annual report with the Ontario Government.

    The ODSC Constitution defines our purpose as:

    The purpose of the club is to join riders interested in Dual Sport motorcycling in good fellowship and responsible sportsmanship

    If the members get organized and change our Constitution to favour enduros, hare scrambles, trail riding, etc then they could make ODSC "whatever they want it to be".

    Until then it's a DUAL SPORT ONLY club.

    Bob
  12. Neil Edmunds

    Neil Edmunds ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    That's a very good point Bob (and a clarification).
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    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    So when you have 20 riders joining you, why not force them to post about their experience? Oh wait, you can't. So, unless folks want to post about what they like/dislike, I really don't think the directors can force people to post about DS either.
  14. Randy_K

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Meeting this Wednesday at 7:00 at the Mohawk. Good place to talk .
  15. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Bob - bring these issues to the AGM and table them. Although it seems to me that these may possibly be more of a matter of opinion.....?

    Nobody's ever disputed what the constitution says, nor have any of the past or current execs corrupted or abused what the constitution says. If you feel you need to challenge this, please bring it to the AGM.

    Our name says Ontario Dual Sport Club and that's what this club is and has always been about. However, it appears that our members and site users also like to engage in and discuss complimentary motorcycling events and disciplines such as trail riding, racing, trials, training, technical, GPS and even stuff unrelated (Soap Box).
    Like any successful business, or other enterprise, we need to give the people what they want. We have over 1600 registered site users, all of them coming here for various reasons related to bikes that have some sort of knobby tires. Luckily, Dual Sport riding covers a very, very broad swath of riding types & styles; everything from the guy on the big BMW 1200 GS riding on back roads(paved and gravel) to Alaska, or just to work, to the guy riding his blue plated TE250 Husky in the Corduroy Enduro (or?), and everything in between. There is hopefully something here for pretty much everyone that engages in some sort of DS ridng or another.
    Pretty much consistently, our new members use this club to enter the sport and as they become aware of the skills required to ride off-road, they start to challenge themselves by learning more and riding more off-road. As they develope skills they often graduate to more offroad oriented bikes. We'd be stupid to suppress or restrict that & it would certainly fly in the face of the spirit of this club & good sportsmanship. The only thing we've had to set limits on is things related to behavior when posting & certain content (all clearly specified in the rules)
    Most of our sponsors are bike related & sell products/services that our site users want & our events are designed to be dual sport events or related to dual sport riding; Super Sunday, Bethany ride, ODSC Training day etc.
    Interestingly enough, even the manufacturers are recognizing what the marketplace really wants, as there are now at least 4 manufacturers (KTM, Husky, Beta, Husaberg) now selling factory street legal dirt/competition bikes. There was only one in 2007. Also at the other end of the scale, there has been a renaissance in larger adventure style bikes coming on the market.
    One thing our executive literally has no control over, is how much of any particular type of content is posted by the site users or the type of rides they organize. People post what they want to post about. It's that simple. If anyone feels there is not enough of a certain type of content, they either need to post more of it themselves, or ask/encourage others to post it.

    Sure, we could ignore all this and chop the site down to just a few forums and severely limit the content, but who would benefit? What would it serve?
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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    For DS riders that do rides that have a destination we require a place to share GPS tracks. To date the ODSC does not want to allow this. Perhaps the DS guy's should talk with the "Great Lakes Dualsport Club" about having a Canadian section for exchangeing GPS tracks and ride information. Membership to their club and forum is not forced and is only $10.00 for those who feel it is a good value.

    This may be a option that makes everyone happy.
  17. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Randy-

    I really don't know where you are getting these ideas about outright sharing of GPS tracks not being allowed. I know I certainly haven't prevented it. There are a few reasonable limitations as Neil mentioned, but nobody's completely prevented sharing GPS files that I'm aware of. If they are, it should be addressed.
    If it's an issue that needs to be tabled at the AGM, then by all means table it. Perhaps it's a new rule or bylaw that needs to be created or a current one amended.

    The one difference that allows the GPS files to be shared in MI the way they are, is that the files being shared are of state sponsored CCC trails, which also are published openly in many other areas/places. There are often files openly shared on here of the Ganny etc., which would be a similar situation. Some other areas of Ontario need to be handled a bit differently.

    IIRC, the issue that caused some restrictions was back in about 06 or so, when somebody was openly posting GPS tracks of an area clearly posted No Trespassing.
  18. Neil Edmunds

    Neil Edmunds ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Gdb, gpx, gtm, kml, mps, usr and wpt file attachments are all supported on this forum.
  19. SteveP

    SteveP ODSC Executive

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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Here is what I am certain about....to say that directors need replacing because you aren't seeing what you want posted, is an absolute insult to me, and every other director of this club, that is doing his best to keep this site one of the number one info sharing sites in Ontario.
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    Re: ODSC 2011 AGM - Feb. 18th 2012

    Sorry if there was a misunderstanding . The issue started here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18038
    I was told by way of a PM not to post routes. If things have changed great. Either way we need a decision.

    Thanks