1. bkowal

    bkowal Limited User

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    I sucessfully ended the 2005 competitive riding season with 1 harescramble and 3 enduros completed. No seriously broken bike or body but a fair number of bruises to each.

    Being my first year racing I correctly choose to ride in the Novice B class where the competition was fierce but fair (and fun!)

    My question is, when do I have to move up to Novice A? Do I decide when this happens or does the CMA decide? I finished with two seconds and fourth and an eighth place. When is it a good time to move into the Veteran class (I'm 42 years young this year)?

    This racing thing is much harder than I thought, but knowing what it is all about this year, I'm gonna try to get my game on to finish better with more riding practice, and better bike and body preparation. Hopfully I can get faster to place better and try to get around Uncle Bucks Husky butt (his and the bikes!)
  2. Jason H

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    Brian,

    I think you might want to race both A and B. There is a lot of competiton in the novice A class (HS). Probably half should be racing intermediate. You've only got one HS under your belt - so why not consider racing the B class for HS and the A class for enduros (as you now have experience in three enduros). I believe the CMA form just asks if you are a novice. I don't think it is specific to A or B.

    I'll let Steve Kelly or some of the others comment on the Vet class. There is some sandbagging that happens there as well, and some of those vets have been doing this for a lot of years and are just plain fast. (you know the saying "old age and treachery...")


    You do realize that if you race the B class - we'll all be razzing you and calling you a sandbagger right? :D

    Jason
  3. Canadaler

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    I always have a tough time finding the promotion system in the CMA rule books...however they are supposed to move you up from Novice B after something like 3 finishes in the top 3...don't quote me on it though.

    I'd recommend sticking to B in H-S as well, the Novice A is ripe with sandbaggers IMO. Vet class in both H-S and Enduros is highly competitive, the splitting up of Vet's into a Vet Expert class has helped a lot though. From what I've seen, each year there are a couple of guys who used to be Experts/Masters years ago who come out to start riding again and clean up in the Vet class. They get promoted to Vet Expert and disappear again the next year!
  4. bkowal

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    I don't think that will happen any time soon unless some miracle happens. I am managing to keep up with the Novice B group through brute force but just barely. Unless I suddenly wake up in the morning way faster, there is no way I will be able to keep up with some of the guys in Novice A (Rome are you listening?). They are seriously fast.

    The Hare Scramble guys seem to be fearless and I have a wife, kids and job to go to in the morning so I think I'll stick with Novice B for awhile so I'm not in anyones way.
  5. Jason H

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    I'm not that fast a racer, I can hold my own in an enduro (Nov A) and typically finish just outside the top ten in the Nov A class in a HS. Often when I compared my results vs the Intermediate classes in both HS and enduros, I would finish about the same or slightly higher (I realize this is comparing apples to oranges, but anyway...).

    One of the things that would keep me from attempting the intermediate class is the longer race time in HS and the thought of riding some killer expert sections in an enduro. Should the classes be restructured such that intermediates only rode 2 hours in an HS and stayed off of a "Green's Mountain" in an enduro I would move up, and I suspect others would as well. Another thought would be having an intermediate A and B, with the a class running the tougher/longer races.

    My $.02

    Jason
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    If you are interested it is supposed to take 30 points or 2 wins and you get promoted from Novice B to A or Vet to Vet Expert or basically any other progressive class.
    Listen guys, I went down to PA last year for an ECEA enduro and was told to go in the B Senior class. At the end of the day ,and I didn't get past by many, I was 8th out of 25 in the class. But the top three in the class were 15 minutes faster on a 92 mile course. That is truly SANDBAGGING as these guys didn't even have wrinkles under their eyes and they entered the Senior class 45 to 50..
    Anyway I guess its all realitive to how much you get beat by. If its only a 2 to 5 min difference at the end of the day then I would day your in the right class. But if your competitor is beating the rest of the class by wide margins then perhaps he is truly not where he his supposed to be.
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    I did a couple of novice A HS last year with my "B" #, I finished 8th in both and was over 15 minutes behind the leaders. If I`d had stayed in "B" I would have finished around 4th. This year I'm going to try Vet. and see if I can get my ass kicked there too!

    As for enduros, you'll probably place around the same in "A" as you would in Vet., but in "A" I could say that I did pretty good racing against the young whipper snappers and sandbaggers. Funny enough I'll be the young whipper snapper in Super Vet. in three years. :shock: :cry:

    I'm not going to mention that a Master has won in Vet. at the Mini Pine (entry level/novice enduro) for the last 2 years that I know of :-#
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    The first corner in as a Novice B in a hare scrambles scares me.

    There are sandbaggers in every class. The only way with will ever stop is if they are forced up a class by the CMA or clubs.
  9. BillO

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    Well, I guess it all comes down to whether or not you’re there to win or to have a good time. There are some fast guy’s in Vet, but only 3 or 4 and they don’t always show up. There are also some fast guy’s in Novice B, but they usually move up to A after just a few races. Here are some things you might consider.

    1) There are no points awarded in Novice B and there is no championship awarded. It is a support class, a place to test your mettle and see if you like the sport.
    2) The Vets usually start on the first row. This is a real advantage at some of the tracks. Sure you’ll get passed by a bunch of other riders, but you won’t have to contend with a minefield of downed riders at the first slippery up-hill.
    3) There are far fewer riders in the Vet class and a much higher chance of scoring a trophy every now and then, even if you’re not fast.
    4) The first corner in the Vet start has almost never resulted in a crash, however there is almost always one in Novice B.