Garmin Montana

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  1. DualSport

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    I just tried putting my old Canada Metroguide 4 (which includes CEB and R&R) on my Montana but I cannot get it to install on my computer. The programs are dated about '99 and I've used it on Win '98 PC but never installed it on Win XP or Win 7. I remember Mapsource stopped supporting old OS's around Version 6.13.0 and they issued a "Legacy Version" for Windows up to ME.

    I cannot get the Setup.exe to run on my Win 7 notebook - it stops and requests "Disc 1", but there only is one disc. Do you have it running on a current PC?

    I could probably do it manually by editing the Registry, and copying the required files to the proper folders but that's a bit tedious.

    Bob
  2. Fat Tire Flyer

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    My new confuzer has Windows 8 (bought about 1 year ago).. I've got MetroGuide Canada V4 installed on it.. Also the even older Canada Roads & Recreation V2 installed no problem (includes Canada Enhanced Basemap 2.0 and Canada MetroGuide 2.0).. :D
  3. Neil Edmunds

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    Bob, for very old software you could try to do the install with windows in "safe mode". This is a "last ditch" method if registry editing does not work.

    I have to run old software to support industrial machinery and any operating system newer than XP is total garbage for this purpose. The only practical solution is to use virtual machine software. Win7 is the host operating system and Win2000 is the guest operating system. It's the only workaround I could find for critical older software.

    Vmware does the job for me. Win7 has "XP mode" which is a joke because it's the entire 500Mb version of XP that runs very slowly on the Win7 operating system.
  4. emmbeedee

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    Depending on which version of Windows, you can also right click the setup icon and choose "Properties" to get a screen like this:

    [​IMG]

    "Compatibility" allows you to run the setup program as if you were using a previous version of Windows. It works some of the time.

    But if you must go back to an old computer to install the Garmin map program, you can then export the map to an IMG file which you can copy to the Montana as a named file, like MetroguideV5.img - it's only older gps units that require the map to be called gmapsupp.img
  5. DualSport

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    I tried the Safe Mode you suggested and it did allow the old maps to be installed, but it actually wiped out my current MapSource program, and could only "see" the maps it just installed. I couldn't transfer it to the Montana as that version of MapSource was so old it only supported COM ports :D

    I've fixed my PC and will just forget about Enhanced Basemap for now, although it does offer a good benefit of zooming out further without losing the detail.

    Bob
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    I have used "USB to Serial" converters to get a serial port on new computers. These are just dongles that provide a serial port. It's another workaround that has to be tried to see if it works correctly (another option you might consider).
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    You could download the latest version of Mapsource to get past the serial port issue. Garmin still offers it http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=209.
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    Mapsource itself isn't the problem. My Win 7 PC just won't run the old MetroGuide Canada (which includes Canada Enhanced Basemap) unless it's in Safe Mode. That's when my V6.16.3 Mapsource gets overwritten by V3 (with only Serial Port support).

    I solved the problem by resurrecting an old PC that would install CEB and then I was able to create gmapsupp.img. I don't actually want to run CEB on my Montana, rather I wanted to strip out just the backroads and then create a transparent map that could overlay City Navigator and be turned on and off via Map Setup. That way I get up-to-date routable roads and database POIs, plus I can see the backroads out to 5Km zoom :D

    Here's how it looks:

    City Navigator + CEB Backroads Overlay at 5Km zoom
    [​IMG]

    City Navigator only at 5Km zoom
    [​IMG]

    City Navigator zoomed out until it's backroads are visible
    [​IMG]

    With the programs I use to do this, I can also change how they display (colour, shape, size, etc) and at what zoom level they appear.

    Bob
  9. emmbeedee

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    The overlay is interesting. But you could also rename the CEB file you generated from gmapsupp.IMG to CEB.IMG and put it into the Montana to use that way. I create a separate profile for each mapset as mentioned previously.