1. johninkincardine

    johninkincardine Limited User

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    Over the past number of years, many abandoned rail lines (rail trails) and unmaintained road allowances have had orange gates placed on them and signs erected by another user group from within the ORV community. The signs state that motorcycles are not allowed to use these roads/trails even though other types of motorized vehicles are welcome. Does anyone know the history behind who decides who can and can't access these areas and what enforcment measures can be taken by them? I understand that the OFTR has been involved with this issue in the past but don't know what happened with it.
    It would be nice to be able to include some of these areas when planning dual sport rides.

    John
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    My guess is that the ATV enthusiasts (like the snowmobilers) have made better lobbying efforts and/or contribute(d) to the building and maintenance of the rail trails.That is, however, only a guess and I also would like to know what the real reasons are. We all know that 4 wheelers are much more invasive and damaging than bikes.

    As far as legal issues regarding us using the trails, provided one is plated and insured there is no offence under the Off Road Vehicles Act (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut ... 0o04_e.htm). It falls solely under the Trespass to Property Act (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut ... 0t21_e.htm) and the charge would likely be "Engage in Activity Prohibited" or "Fail to Obey Sign" if any officer who stopped you even cared once you'd been stopped, acted very polite, produced your identification, permit and insurance and you hadn't caused any damage or had a run in with anyone.

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  3. Mark G

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    Hi John, I know the rail trail from clifford to port elgin. The EOTA take care of that. I believe there are people trying to get it legalized for dirt bikes. That area takes forever when it comes to answers.
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    Hi Mark G
    Thanks for the reply. Is the EOTA that you referred to the "Eastern Ontario Trails Alliance"? If so, I checked their website and they don't show any trails east of the Bancroft area.
    Incidently I checked their online pass purchasing page and there's a box to tick for dirt bike/ATV so apparently we can use their trails if you buy a pass.
    Also incidently...are you located in the Port Elgin area?
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    There was talk of similar stuff in this thread http://www.odsc.on.ca/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20571
    I remember seeing the signs near Port Elgin about not allowing motorcycles but it seemed everything else was allowed if you had a pass.
    Buy a pass and go riding maybe. I'm not sure if anybody asks you what you are riding when you go to buy a pass.
    I never did look into it more. Got too busy with other stuff.
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    Isn't there anyone here who has the answer to the OP's original question? The other thread that was quoted (http://www.odsc.on.ca/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20571) doesn't have an answer either and it's last post misses the mark as the quoted by-law info pertains to ATVs operating on roadways between trail sections, which is why motorcycles weren't mentioned.
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    I know that I did some work along the Dufferin county rail line this summer and saw the county inspecting it, I also heard the various conservation authorities that take care of the land it crosses take interest in it. I wouldnt be able to speak to who owns the land. Maybe somebody local would know better.
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    If it is the rail line between Orangeville and shelburne, they are currently putting up a power line using the old rail bed to run along. It is my understanding that it is to bring power south from the wind farms. It is an ofsc snowmobile trail but they barricade it in the summer.
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    Thats the line I was on. I did notice a few ATV s using the trail even though it is signed "closed no access"
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    I think in many cases the old rail lines are turned over the municipality. And it's they that decide who is allowed to use their trail.

    Brian
  11. Mark G

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    Its my home area. I am in Barrie. It is eastern ontario trail alliance. They have never shown it on their site. It has been a pita getting info about who and what governs it for years. When it was operated by ofatv I bought their pass in spring time years ago, then it switched to eota that spring. I thought...f that and road anyway. I put 3000kms on the rail trail. Never saw a warden and few atvs in my tours. That was 2006. I doubt much has changed. I doubt many folks even have a pass. Eota claims pedestrians need a pass for that trail.....good luck eota! Sorry, but thats messed up. Ride it till you get stopped by a warden for the real story. I would imagine wardens will have trail passes which you can buy. Its been years since I rode the rail trail. 5 points at Bobcaygeon became my choice of riding. Not a ton of mud, but there are waterholes with sol7d base to go through. I would ride from Bobcaygeon to Gooderham. Greens Mountain has jeeps and rock crawlers to make things enjoyable and it is mostly crown land. Trails to cross into haliburton trail zone a bit but a day pass was 12 bucks, and yearly was just over 130. The area starts near the end of bass lake road at Bobcaygeon. Many lakes to take breaks at.